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Column: Gaining different perspective on diversity

Abstract:
Growing up in the suburbs can extremely narrow a person's worldview. I grew up in Naperville, a ritzy, predominantly white town. Most of my classmates were white throughout grade and high school, and they did not have much interaction with diverse groups. These same classmates would repeatedly spout racist jokes concerning crime and intelligence and laugh uncontrollably....

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J

posted 11/19/09 @ 11:42 PM CST

So you grew up in a predominantly White city, visited a somewhat diverse church once a week for seven years, then decided to enroll into a university that has pretty much the same demographics as that ritzy, predominantly White town. Luckily, the city that the university resides in is also made up of pretty much the same demographics.

Don't worry, I'm sure you chose to go to a less-diverse university 200 miles from home (bypassing many more diverse universities), for all of the usual reasons: cost, size, best fit, whatever. I imagine your parents chose to live in a ritzy, predominantly White town for many of the same reasons.

I guess it's just a coincidence that almost every White person that CHOOSES to live, work, go to school, play, etc. in a predominantly White town, school, business, etc. says that they do it for non-racial reasons.


There are so many more towns your parents could have chosen in which property values are exponentially cheaper than Naperville. I imagine they didn't like the schools, or maybe they're job(s) were closer. Who knows? Most likely, Naperville was a safe place to raise a family, even if it was more expensive to live there. That way they could talk about diversity and not have to actually live in it.

Wanna take a guess as to why it's so safe?

Rick Kambic

posted 11/20/09 @ 1:44 AM CST

It's safe because the socioeconomic scenario is different than what you have apparently experienced or seen on television. With more than 100,000 residents in Naperville, the tax opportunities created a police department with a massive budget that lead to better skilled personnel and more patrol cars than there are in NASCAR. The economic opportunities in the area require employees with different levels of higher education backgrounds and education breeds a better understanding of the social contract. I'm sure if you make it through school you'd have just as good as an opportunity to land a job in the Naperville area and afford to live there, too. So, grow a pair and finish school so you can stop blaming the world for things you want but have been told you can't have. There's a difference between a conservative community and community based on racial beliefs. In parts of Plainfield, people would move if a black family bought a house next door. That's not the case in Naperville. Bob's family moved there when it was all corn and did so because they wanted to own a house, period, and the circumstance were favorable. Wouldn't you do the same? As time went on, the city built around them. And everybody accepts experiences differently; maybe one day a week was enough to influence Bob in a positive way. Who are you to tell Bob that his feelings are wrong?

J

posted 11/20/09 @ 12:40 PM CST

Who am I to tell Bob that his feelings are wrong? Why, I'm the guy responding to his column. Once you stoop to Ad Hominem arguments, it's usually a sign that you've lost the argument and have nothing to say.

It's ironic that you speak of what I've experienced. I've lived and worked in areas a hell of a lot more affluent and a hell of a lot more homogeneous than Naperville and on the flip side, have worked in areas a hell of a lot more diverse than the area in Chicago that he went to church in. As far as having 'things', I'm willing to bet I've had things and have done things you can only dream of. I've lived in different countries as well as some of the most diverse and least diverse cities in the entire world.

Also rather ironically, your answer seems to be right out of a textbook, rather than any sort of real world experience. More patrol cars than NASCAR? Read some other textbooks. Naperville has approx. three times LESS police protection per 1000 residents than the national average, even less than Charleston.

One day a week may have been all the experience needed to accept racial differences,but until you live and/or work in an area where you are the distinct racial minority, your views on race and interactions with race are unqualified.

There's a difference between a community based on racial beliefs and a community that isn't put in a position where they HAVE to make a choice. The community (or people within) that aren't put in positions or confronted with racial choices, usually side on the pollyannaish view that all races are the same, or at least, all races get along with each other.

I hold no animosity toward any Eskimo people whatsoever. I've never told an Eskimo joke, never ever heard one and have never heard or spoken any Eskimo epithets.

Amazingly, I've never even seen an Eskimo, let alone visited an Eskimo town or village once a week.

Rick Kambic

posted 11/20/09 @ 2:29 PM CST

There is no argument because you didn't post your name and have no credibility. You're a coward with nothing to back your rambles. Stop identifying yourself with other people's troubles and start thinking about yourself positively. You define who you are and right now you're telling the world to look at you differently and to walk at arms length from you.

Rick Kambic

posted 11/20/09 @ 2:32 PM CST

P.S. the textbook answer was sarcasm. Good job reading between the lines, big guy.

J

posted 11/20/09 @ 10:01 PM CST

Oh boy, your e-thuggery knows no bounds.

So If I give you my name, social security number, driver's license number and photo of first-born child, what does that give you? Silly boy, argue the words, not the person.

I think you mean to say that your actions define who you are.

You can try to say that you were being sarcastic, obviously the NASCAR reference was hyperbole, but don't try and back-peddle now and say that you weren't trying to say that Naperville had quite a lot of police protection. I don't believe education has as strong a correlation to violence as people think. Some of the poorest, if not THE poorest cities in this country, namely those in Appalachia, are some of the safest as well. Might have something to do with the entire population of those cities having residents that are most likely, the same race as you.

By the way, how does anyone know you are really Rick Kambic? You'll at least need to post a photo of yourself holding your license and social security card. See how asinine that is. It doesn't matter. I don't care what your name is, that doesn't grant you any kind of credibility.

Infer what you want, I'm simply telling the world what they already know. The only people that ever promote diversity are either the minorities that are the beneficiaries of it or the elitist Whites that don't ever experience it.

Shame

posted 11/21/09 @ 7:44 AM CST

It is a shame that you could not live where you went to church and experienced all the benefits all week. I missed it. Why couldn't you live there, again?

Stephanie

posted 11/28/09 @ 9:48 PM CST

I am neither an elitist white, nor a minority recieving benefits from promoting diversity, yet I do. Explain to me J, how do I fit in your black and white(no pun intended) theory of "the only people that ever promote diversity"? I think maybe you should open your mind to the shades of grey in diversity. It is never all or nothing. ...And perhaps, Bob, Rick, and I are some of those shades...

I see so much hatred spewing from you in just your first comment to Bob Bajek's column. How are you ever going to be truly diverse with an attitude like that? Maybe Bob is very different from you...maybe you are very different from Bob. We don't know, but I am sure if Bob unknowingly ran into you on the street somewhere he would be very open and accepting of you, not because of your race, age, sex, past experiences, or even your negative attitude, but because you are a human being. Everyone has different backrounds and experiences, but not everyone allows that to control their views.

J

posted 11/29/09 @ 12:31 AM CST

Stephanie,

You ask the question, how am I ever going to be truly diverse with an attitude like that? However, you didn't explain why I (or anyone for that matter) would want to be diverse in the first place. What are the benefits of diversity, racially or culturally especially, or anything else as well? Certainly it helps to have a diverse knowledge, but even that isn't necessarily important.

I don't know anything about you, but you claim you are neither of the types I mentioned in my last post (elitist White or recipient minority). Are your sure? Again, I can only assume, but do you really practice what you preach? Think about it for a minute. Diversity is defined as a point of difference. If you attend Eastern, from a racial standpoint, you aren't living diversely. If you live within a 50-mile radius of Eastern, you certainly aren't living diversely. Have you ever lived/worked/attended school where you were the distinct racial minority? I don't mean a situation where you listen to hip-hop, reggaeton, eat rice and beans, have a few Black or Oriental friends, then go back home to your all-(fill in your race here) community. Look at your friends. Are they your friends because they think differently than you? Like the things that you don't like? It's easy to say you promote diversity when you don't have to actually live it. Look around the Eastern campus. Do you see Black students hanging around a lot of other races? Sure, there are some, but the majority of them hang around Coleman Hall where there are sure to be many more people like them. When the minority (minority in population, not necessarily minority in race or culture) talks about diversity, they don't give a rat's a** about other races. In the case of Blacks, do you really think that Black people on this campus want to bring in nothing but races other than Black? Because if a Black person is true to the word "DIVERSITY" that would be the case. What they're really saying is that they want more Black people. People like themselves. That's promoting homogeneity, not diversity.

After all, what's wrong with hanging around with people like yourself? The Church of Diversity parishioners like to preach diversity. So, by definition if you like Thrash metal, you should be listening hip-hop, jazz, classical, polka, bluegrass, folk, etc. You know, because you like diversity. If you like the color red, you should have many things in colors other than red. If you like chicken, you should be eating beef, pork, lamb, etc.

Like I said, I don't know you, but you sound rather hypocritical when you speak of Bob 'unknowingly' running into me as though once he got to know how I truly feel he wouldn't be as accepting, because my views differ from his. That's the somewhat paradoxical position of diversity. Those of your ilk don't like diverse thought.

Again, White people are the only people that ever (E-V-E-R) speak of diversity as the majority. Show me one other race that gives a damn about importing people into their respective countries/cities/towns/universities where they are the majority. It's because they (Whites) have this patriarchal/matriarchal condescending stance that they are responsible to help all these poor, little, helpless people get their fair share.

Remember, Diversity=Point of Difference. Apparently, we have a point of difference about diversity. According to your logic, you like that I don't like diversity. If I agreed with you, you would hate me for being the same as you. Oh, the joys of diversity.

P

posted 12/17/09 @ 6:55 AM CST

Originally posted by

J

Stephanie,

You ask the question, how am I ever going to be truly diverse with an attitude like that? However, you didn't explain why I (or anyone for that matter) would want to be diverse in the first place. What are the benefits of diversity, racially or culturally especially, or anything else as well? Certainly it helps to have a diverse knowledge, but even that isn't necessarily important.

I don't know anything about you, but you claim you are neither of the types I mentioned in my last post (elitist White or recipient minority). Are your sure? Again, I can only assume, but do you really practice what you preach? Think about it for a minute. Diversity is defined as a point of difference. If you attend Eastern, from a racial standpoint, you aren't living diversely. If you live within a 50-mile radius of Eastern, you certainly aren't living diversely. Have you ever lived/worked/attended school where you were the distinct racial minority? I don't mean a situation where you listen to hip-hop, reggaeton, eat rice and beans, have a few Black or Oriental friends, then go back home to your all-(fill in your race here) community. Look at your friends. Are they your friends because they think differently than you? Like the things that you don't like? It's easy to say you promote diversity when you don't have to actually live it. Look around the Eastern campus. Do you see Black students hanging around a lot of other races? Sure, there are some, but the majority of them hang around Coleman Hall where there are sure to be many more people like them. When the minority (minority in population, not necessarily minority in race or culture) talks about diversity, they don't give a rat's a** about other races. In the case of Blacks, do you really think that Black people on this campus want to bring in nothing but races other than Black? Because if a Black person is true to the word "DIVERSITY" that would be the case. What they're really saying is that they want more Black people. People like themselves. That's promoting homogeneity, not diversity.

After all, what's wrong with hanging around with people like yourself? The Church of Diversity parishioners like to preach diversity. So, by definition if you like Thrash metal, you should be listening hip-hop, jazz, classical, polka, bluegrass, folk, etc. You know, because you like diversity. If you like the color red, you should have many things in colors other than red. If you like chicken, you should be eating beef, pork, lamb, etc.

Like I said, I don't know you, but you sound rather hypocritical when you speak of Bob 'unknowingly' running into me as though once he got to know how I truly feel he wouldn't be as accepting, because my views differ from his. That's the somewhat paradoxical position of diversity. Those of your ilk don't like diverse thought.

Again, White people are the only people that ever (E-V-E-R) speak of diversity as the majority. Show me one other race that gives a damn about importing people into their respective countries/cities/towns/universities where they are the majority. It's because they (Whites) have this patriarchal/matriarchal condescending stance that they are responsible to help all these poor, little, helpless people get their fair share.

Remember, Diversity=Point of Difference. Apparently, we have a point of difference about diversity. According to your logic, you like that I don't like diversity. If I agreed with you, you would hate me for being the same as you. Oh, the joys of diversity.


"Show me one other race that gives a damn about importing people into their respective countries/cities/towns/universities where they are the majority."

I currently work for a government-run program in South Korea that "imports" people of all races to teach English in public schools. The National Institute for International Education (run entirely by Koreans), which operates the program, also actively promotes diversity in Korean universities by offering scholarships for students from around the world to complete their graduate studies in Korea.

Calm down

posted 11/30/09 @ 6:49 PM CST

What is this e-war all about?

Why don't you join the nerdy-nerf-sword club and go battle it out in the quad.

The definitions and attitudes regarding diversity will always be the source for lengthy and pointless arguments. So cut the nonsense.

Peoples are biologically and psychologically unequal by nature, just as all animals are. It is in your own natural evolutionary psychology that you prefer the promotion and expansion of genes like yours. That's why peoples form groups.

People are animals, we reproduce and claim resources like animals. Just because we can put 10,000 songs on an iPhone and burn things doesn't mean we're some alien organism that doesn't follow the rules of natural selection.

"fairness" and "equality" are not a part of nature. Racism is. Get used to it.

Stephanie

posted 12/12/09 @ 12:49 AM CST

This e-war is about not giving up on learning and seeking perspective.

First of all, debating diversity is never pointless nor nonsensical. It will never end. New people will always be born and with those new people comes new perspectives to be explored. As people, we will never want to stop learning about each other.

Secondly, people are not animals. To converse with others is to learn about our differences, as opposed to sitting around and licking our butts all day as an animal would.

Putting 10,000 songs on an iPhone may be nothing to you, but try being the one to create that iPhone, along with all of the small steps and inventions that led up to that point in time. I am sure that involved a lot of discussions and countless arguments that you would have found pointless. Have animals done anything close to that? What happens when suddenly you don't have those 10,000 songs or that iPhone at your fingertips? Perhaps you will gain the perspective of the person/people who created it. Now, that will speak volumes.

Fairness and equality are most definitely parts of human nature, just as much as disagreements. After all, without debates or heated discussions, how would one gain the perspectives of others? That is what this column was about in the first place.

Racism is a part of this world because people like you let it be, you fence sitter. To give up on racism is to give up on human rights, which I refuse to do.

By the way, I am sure the "nerdy-nerf-sword" club had more fun "battling it out" today than you did in a week sitting on your fence.

J

posted 12/18/09 @ 1:35 PM CST

P,

Your Korean example couldn't have been a more ridiculously bad example. Korea, like Japan and China, is one of the most intolerant countries when it comes to other cultures. They aren't bringing people in en masse to live as they please, they are bringing people in for a specific purpose; to teach English to Koreans to make them more competitive in the business world.

I used to live in Japan, so I know what I'm talking about. I've also been to South Korea as well. Do you think Koreans won't have a problem with thousands of a particular culture/ethnicity coming to their country for nothing more than to enjoy the many economic benefits that Koreans have created?

Importing a couple hundred different people into a population of 48 million is not a good example of people that enjoy diversity.

P

posted 12/19/09 @ 3:43 AM CST

Well, you severely underestimate my ability to give ridiculously bad examples.

In addition to giving students an advantage in the global marketplace, one of the chief aims of the program is to foster students' awareness of and appreciation for other cultures. I don't know if I would call it "diversity" per say, but at least a greater understanding of, and respect for people of other races and cultures. Having day-to-day interaction and close relationships with the Korean educators and public servants that operate the program, I'd say I'm in a slightly better position to comment on their goals and purpose than someone who claims to be an authority on the matter based on their experience living in Japan. Japan and Korea share significant cultural similarities and a common Confucian heritage, but they also differ on a pretty fundamental level and are not static societies. Korea is just starting to come to grips with their rising international status and transformation to a more multicultural society (albeit very slowly), and I wouldn't say visiting the country even 4 or 5 years ago would necessarily give you much insight into present day social attitudes. Personally, I know dozens of Koreans who "enjoy" diversity, or at least studying other cultures and having a diverse group of friends, which learning English has given them the opportunity to do. Whether they reflect the views of society as a whole is obviously debatable. Clearly though, my enthusiasm for this topic does not come close to matching your own so I'm afraid that is the extent of my contribution to the discussion. Cheers.

moop

posted 12/26/09 @ 1:33 AM CST

So his dad proved how much he valued diversity by moving to the most lilly white suburb? Sorry but I am with J on this one. If you value diversity move to Englewood,Humboldt Park, or West Garfield Park. Relax, you can live in a pre-dominately white neighborhood and not be racist.
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