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Wrestling dead at Eastern but not to wrestlers

Abstract:
The decision to cut Eastern's wrestling program last summer was met with heated debate and overwhelming public support on both sides.

'Save EIU Wrestling' signs were posted in front yards all over town. Forums were held on campus to save wrestling, but in the end, it was no match for strict NCAA rules....

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G.OToole

posted 6/24/08 @ 11:53 AM CST

As the chair of the Save EIU Wrestling program, I can tell you that your article only reflects half of the real truth. With a son on the wrestling team and as a former wrestler at EIU, I do not believe the school fairly evaluated all the facts behind the caceling of the program. The fact that the former athletic director was released from the school should say something towards the ethical nature of the situation. The former atheletic director basically did nothing to help coach McCausland and basically hung him out to dry! We are not done trying to bring the program back to EIU, I can tell you that wrestling is the reason why my son (who is a accounting major) is on the Deans list with a 3.8 GPA. Gary O'Toole, 1980 alumni

Mark Sherman

posted 6/26/08 @ 7:48 AM CST

I can tell you're a former wrestler from the numerous spelling errors in your post. j/k

Enough

posted 6/27/08 @ 12:54 PM CST

Mr. O'Toole,

Your son having a 3.8 GPA as an accounting major is great and you should be very proud of him. But having one student-athlete with great grades doesn't pull the weight for the rest of the 15 plus roster (I'm ball parking the roster size)You and your son should be upset with the rest of the team for not taking school as serious as your son has. EIU just built a fantastic academic center with tutors for every subject. There is no reason why ANY student-athlete, regardless of sport or major, should have a low GPA and not be passing classes. Student-athletes are there to get an education first, sports should be secondary.

B. Tipsword

posted 6/29/08 @ 10:46 PM CST

Mr. Enough,

I would like to clarify a couple of points.
1. The '06-'07 EIU wrestling roster consisted of 23 athletes, 9 of these young men had GPAs of 3.0 or better for the spring semester '07, including Mr. O'Toole's son with a 4.0 and Academic All-American Greg Perz. I cannot speak for all of the supporters of EIU wrestling, but all the supporters I know agree with your assessment of student first, athlete second.
2. The reason given by the former AD for dropping the program was that the wrestling team's poor academic performance could lead to the university losing it's D1 status for all teams for the '08-'09 school year. This statement is false. No universities are subject to this penalty until at least 2010-11 and EIU could not have possibly reached this penalty until at least 2011-12.
Should some of the wrestlers have been more dedicated to their studies? Yes. Should the program have been dropped because some student/athletes underachieved? No.

Mr. Enough

posted 6/30/08 @ 5:59 PM CST

Originally posted by

B. Tipsword

Mr. Enough,

I would like to clarify a couple of points.
1. The '06-'07 EIU wrestling roster consisted of 23 athletes, 9 of these young men had GPAs of 3.0 or better for the spring semester '07, including Mr. O'Toole's son with a 4.0 and Academic All-American Greg Perz. I cannot speak for all of the supporters of EIU wrestling, but all the supporters I know agree with your assessment of student first, athlete second.
2. The reason given by the former AD for dropping the program was that the wrestling team's poor academic performance could lead to the university losing it's D1 status for all teams for the '08-'09 school year. This statement is false. No universities are subject to this penalty until at least 2010-11 and EIU could not have possibly reached this penalty until at least 2011-12.
Should some of the wrestlers have been more dedicated to their studies? Yes. Should the program have been dropped because some student/athletes underachieved? No.


9 out of 23 having a 3.0 or better for a SEMESTER...you act as if that is a great stat to show off. Almost all teams at eiu have an average GPA above 3.0 They don't get there by simply having a few people do really well and the rest scrape by.
Because the university would not be subject to penalty until 2010, we should risk all the rest of EIU sports for the next 2 seasons? Most of the wrestlers on the team from last spring would have used up their eligibility by 2010 except freshmen. They would feel no impact if their grades did not improve from an athletic standpoint.
I think the message is what's important here. Put as much effort into school as you did wrestling and you wouldn't be in this position. You can't send a message to these kids that its okay to get bad grades and bail them out of it. These students waited too long to care about their grades and now it's too late.

Mr. Enough,

I would like to clarify a couple of points.
1. The '06-'07 EIU wrestling roster consisted of 23 athletes, 9 of these young men had GPAs of 3.0 or better for the spring semester '07, including Mr. O'Toole's son with a 4.0 and Academic All-American Greg Perz. I cannot speak for all of the supporters of EIU wrestling, but all the supporters I know agree with your assessment of student first, athlete second.
2. The reason given by the former AD for dropping the program was that the wrestling team's poor academic performance could lead to the university losing it's D1 status for all teams for the '08-'09 school year. This statement is false. No universities are subject to this penalty until at least 2010-11 and EIU could not have possibly reached this penalty until at least 2011-12.
Should some of the wrestlers have been more dedicated to their studies? Yes. Should the program have been dropped because some student/athletes underachieved? No.[/QUOTE]

B. Tipsword

posted 6/30/08 @ 11:16 PM CST

Mr. Enough,

No, I don't consider 9 out of 23 with a 3.0 or better for one semester as a great stat to show off. I only provided that information in response to your comment, "one student-athlete with great grades doesn't pull the weight for the rest of the 15 plus roster". Just for comparison, wrestling had 39% of its athletes at 3.0 or better, men's basketball had 31%, men's track 35%, football 41%, women's track 46%, volleyball 46%, baseball 48%, men's cross-country 48%, women's basketball had the most athletes with 3.0 or higher at 80%. You also state, "almost all teams at eiu have an average GPA above 3.0". According to the EIU Athletics website, 13 of the 19 teams had a team GPA of 3.0 or higher for the spring semester of '08, all ten of the women's teams, and three of the nine men's teams.

Please note that we are in agreement that the wrestlers who performed poorly in the classroom should have done a better job. My displeasure is with the administration for dropping the program using statements that were not true, and when other options were available. EIU was not in jeopardy of losing it's D1 status anytime in the foreseeable future, certainly not after one more year of poor academics by the wrestling team. There were 112 teams from 75 universities on the NCAA list of Teams Subject to Penalties 2006-07, including three other Illinois state schools and three additional OVC schools. Do you think 112 teams were dropped? No, because dropping is not the only or best solution. Rather than "bailing out" the underachievers, how about remediating. As an institution of higher education, let's help the underachievers to achieve without penalizing all, including those wrestlers who were doing well. There is a lot more to the NCAAs Academic Reform plan. If you are interested, details are available at ncaa.org.
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